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Post by IBDaMann on Jun 6, 2019 16:34:28 GMT
The 2020 Presidential election will occur. The Democrats will run a candidate ... but who?
1. None of the top Democrat contenders want to square off against Trump. No top Democrat contender has any sort of resume while Trump is riding on a substantial list of big ticket items.
2. The DNC has no idea what strategy to pursue, much less which candidate will best fit that strategy, because they have no idea why Trump was elected in the first place.
3. The DNC and Democrat contenders are extremely gun-shy about following any polls.
4. Democrat candidates are fiercely divided between loving Bernie and hating Biden ... or loving Biden and hating Bernie.
5. Aside from Bernie and Biden, no other candidate has any real sort of chance whatsoever against Trump.
... so who will the DNC pick as their 2020 Presidential candidate?
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Post by IBDaMann on Jun 6, 2019 17:04:53 GMT
I'll add my thoughts.
I know how the DNC works. Both the DNC and the RNC are corrupt and to varying extents have contempt for their own members/voters. The DNC, however, takes corruption to a whole new level, to ever greater orders of magnitude. The DNC will never allow Bernie to be the candidate. It does not matter what they have to do or how brazen they need to be. Bernie supporters have threatened to support Trump if Bernie is not the 2020 candidate ... and the DNC isn't buying it for a second. Bernie's out, but just like the previous election, Bernie just hasn't gotten the memo yet.
So, given that the DNC doesn't really know what to do, and given that the DNC has an idea that Trump has already won in 2020, I think the DNC will run a dummy candidate, i.e. someone who is not expected to win but whose campaign will be intended lay the groundwork for 2024. To this end I believe the one chosen will be whoever demonstrates a champion's ability to raise funds. Now the top fundraiser is Bernie ... but he's out. So it looks like either Biden or Beto.
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Post by gasguzzler on Jun 7, 2019 3:30:16 GMT
I'll add my thoughts. I know how the DNC works. Both the DNC and the RNC are corrupt and to varying extents have contempt for their own members/voters. The DNC, however, takes corruption to a whole new level, to ever greater orders of magnitude. The DNC will never allow Bernie to be the candidate. It does not matter what they have to do or how brazen they need to be. Bernie supporters have threatened to support Trump if Bernie is not the 2020 candidate ... and the DNC isn't buying it for a second. Bernie's out, but just like the previous election, Bernie just hasn't gotten the memo yet. So, given that the DNC doesn't really know what to do, and given that the DNC has an idea that Trump has already won in 2020, I think the DNC will run a dummy candidate, i.e. someone who is not expected to win but whose campaign will be intended lay the groundwork for 2024. To this end I believe the one chosen will be whoever demonstrates a champion's ability to raise funds. Now the top fundraiser is Bernie ... but he's out. So it looks like either Biden or Beto. I won't even venture a guess, but wow is that party a mess right now. Case in point...did you see Hickenlooper get booed off the stage? All he said was "socialism is not the answer"!! |
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Post by IBDaMann on Jun 7, 2019 14:30:59 GMT
I won't even venture a guess, but wow is that party a mess right now. Case in point...did you see Hickenlooper get booed off the stage? All he said was "socialism is not the answer"!! |
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Post by gfm7175 on Jun 14, 2019 18:33:59 GMT
I'll add my thoughts. I know how the DNC works. Both the DNC and the RNC are corrupt and to varying extents have contempt for their own members/voters. The DNC, however, takes corruption to a whole new level, to ever greater orders of magnitude. The DNC will never allow Bernie to be the candidate. It does not matter what they have to do or how brazen they need to be. Bernie supporters have threatened to support Trump if Bernie is not the 2020 candidate ... and the DNC isn't buying it for a second. Bernie's out, but just like the previous election, Bernie just hasn't gotten the memo yet. So, given that the DNC doesn't really know what to do, and given that the DNC has an idea that Trump has already won in 2020, I think the DNC will run a dummy candidate, i.e. someone who is not expected to win but whose campaign will be intended lay the groundwork for 2024. To this end I believe the one chosen will be whoever demonstrates a champion's ability to raise funds. Now the top fundraiser is Bernie ... but he's out. So it looks like either Biden or Beto. Those are pretty much my thoughts as well... I fully agree that the DNC will do everything under their power to not allow Bernie to become the nominee (and the DNC has a powerful system with which to control their wishes, through their superdelegates). I also agree about them choosing a candidate (who is not named Bernie) who is a good fundraiser. I think that Creepy Joe will be their preferred choice, barring any large gaffe by him, (the only others who even have any sliver of a chance in my mind are Pocahontas (though I doubt it), Butt Gig, and Captain Planet (Beto). |
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Post by gfm7175 on Jun 14, 2019 18:42:12 GMT
I won't even venture a guess, but wow is that party a mess right now. Case in point...did you see Hickenlooper get booed off the stage? All he said was "socialism is not the answer"!! I saw that, and I think it speaks VOLUMES about where the Democrat Party is in terms of their platform. Did you happen to see Eric Swalwell pause for applause after his "bold without the bull" comment and receive absolutely nothing but crickets in return? |
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Post by intothenight on Jun 15, 2019 7:57:54 GMT
Of course there a lot of radicals in the Democrat party right now. Radicals are always against other radicals. It will be interesting to see if they accept Boring Biden for a candidate.
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Post by mahatmacoat on Jun 27, 2019 22:49:34 GMT
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 1, 2019 16:33:07 GMT
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 11, 2019 19:10:57 GMT
Previously I had written how the DNC hates Bernie and that he will never be the Democrat candidate, regardless of his popularity and regardless of the lengths to which they need to rig it against him. Also, on 27 June, just after the first Democrat "debates" I noted how it appeared that the DNC had chosen Elizabeth Warren to be the 2020 Democrat Presidential candidate. On the Climate-Debate forum I wrote:
Well ... I just had my attention directed to a new CBS poll (read: DNC-issued manuscript) that has Biden down to 22% from 35% before the "debates." Bernie Sanders, according to this poll, has Bernie's campaign as crumbling at 14%. Elizabeth Warren has seemingly "risen" to second place just behind the plummeting Biden.
Note: I place zero stock in this poll, ... or any other poll for that matter. I raise this issue because polls give a great insight into the collective mind of the DNC and what they "want." They are all about picking the winners and losers instead of leaving that to the voters.
So I will reiterate the question: Has the DNC already told us that Elizabeth Warren is the 2020 candidate and that the others might as well hang it up?
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Post by gasguzzler on Jul 12, 2019 3:22:25 GMT
Previously I had written how the DNC hates Bernie and that he will never be the Democrat candidate, regardless of his popularity and regardless of the lengths to which they need to rig it against him. Also, on 27 June, just after the first Democrat "debates" I noted how it appeared that the DNC had chosen Elizabeth Warren to be the 2020 Democrat Presidential candidate. On the Climate-Debate forum I wrote: Well ... I just had my attention directed to a new CBS poll (read: DNC-issued manuscript) that has Biden down to 22% from 35% before the "debates." Bernie Sanders, according to this poll, has Bernie's campaign as crumbling at 14%. Elizabeth Warren has seemingly "risen" to second place just behind the plummeting Biden. Note: I place zero stock in this poll, ... or any other poll for that matter. I raise this issue because polls give a great insight into the collective mind of the DNC and what they "want." They are all about picking the winners and losers instead of leaving that to the voters. Yes, but they won't and we don't want them to hang it up. Let them try to stay in the race by out promising the other with free giveaways. Then we'll be locked and loaded with soundbites. Can you imagine these bites and a pull no punches Trump? I think this season of political adds may bring some great entertainment to the boob tube and radio. For the first time in my life I look forward to political adds! |
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 12, 2019 22:57:24 GMT
Yes, but they won't and we don't want them to hang it up. Let them try to stay in the race by out promising the other with free giveaways. Then we'll be locked and loaded with soundbites. Can you imagine these bites and a pull no punches Trump? I think this season of political adds may bring some great entertainment to the boob tube and radio. For the first time in my life I look forward to political adds! If they start with the material from the "debates" and ratchet up the rhetoric from there, yes, absolutely, we will be in for one very entertaining campaign season in which we have already skipped to the final chapter and know how it ends. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 12, 2019 23:01:23 GMT
Yes, but they won't and we don't want them to hang it up. I hate to be the one to break it to you but soon they will one-by-one start hanging it up as they start to see the writing on the wall, i.e. that the DNC has already chosen someone else. |
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Post by gasguzzler on Jul 13, 2019 2:18:57 GMT
Yes, but they won't and we don't want them to hang it up. I hate to be the one to break it to you but soon they will one-by-one start hanging it up as they start to see the writing on the wall, i.e. that the DNC has already chosen someone else. Agree. It is clear, at least to us, who the DNC does NOT like and no way in hell will get the nomination. So it makes me wonder... If you're the likes of Sanders, you HAVE to know this for yourself, right? Why do they keep going? Is there a badge of honor in losing? Is it fun spending all that money to hear yourself talk? Egos that just need a padding? I don't get it. If they're going to speak out against the DNC, that's one thing. But they're not doing that. They continue running campaigns as if there's a real chance they will one day be president. On a side note, did you see Alley babe pissing in Pelosi's bowl of Cherrios? This little side show is getting fun too! Is the DNC behind this? I've often wondered how long Pelosi can last. Even in the democrat clown show, she is an absolute bafoon. How does someone like hold a position with such authority? I suspect she may be on her way out. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 14, 2019 19:31:57 GMT
Agree. It is clear, at least to us, who the DNC does NOT like and no way in hell will get the nomination. So it makes me wonder... If you're the likes of Sanders, you HAVE to know this for yourself, right? No, Bernie refuses to get the message because he is a Marxist and Marxists never go away; they only become more emboldened, more radical and more loose cannon. This is why the DNC will never accede to Bernie. They will let him play but he's not allowed to claim the trophy. The DNC is happy to use Bernie for his Trump basing and for the extreme socialist left wing voters he brings to them, but Bernie will receive nothing in return. This also represents the Nancy-Alé catfight. Nancy is DNC Cadre and Alé is an annoying (but currently useful) thorn in the side. Let's take a closer look. On a side note, did you see Alley babe pissing in Pelosi's bowl of Cherrios? Yes. Alé-babe has the socialism bug. Within the DNC the way to move up is to obediently toe the party line until it is "your turn." Socialists, however, move up by destroying those above. Alé is currently trying to usurp the DNC itself by appealing directly to the emotions of the American people. So, how is Alé-babe any different from Hitler? She speaks as he did (only she's doing it in English) and the political tactics are the same. Do you think the DNC wants her taking over? Now let's talk Biden. He's "dropping in the polls" and the DNC is organizing protests against him: Either the DNC wants to help Biden get out in front of the deportation issue considering that he deported more illegals and broke up more families than any other administration ever ... or the DNC is helping Biden see the writing that he is not the chosen one. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 15, 2019 14:50:39 GMT
When discussing the race to become the Democrat 2020 Presidential candidate, the current DNC stupor must be considered. This video is about the most accurate commentary I have encountered. Note: We should definitely be saying "The Cocktailex Syndrome."
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 16, 2019 14:58:52 GMT
Now let's talk Biden. He's "dropping in the polls" and the DNC is organizing protests against him: ... Either the DNC wants to help Biden get out in front of the deportation issue considering that he deported more illegals and broke up more families than any other administration ever ... or the DNC is helping Biden see the writing that he is not the chosen one. This isn't from the DNC, but now the topic being "put out there" is Biden's bribes from China. So Biden is being equated with Trump, e.g. deporting immigrants and destroying families, taking bribes from foreign powers, etc... |
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Post by intothenight on Jul 16, 2019 17:42:36 GMT
Yeah...I don't think the DNC wants Biden. Looks like hes gonna be history. Will Bernie finally get his shot?
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Post by IBDaMann on Jul 16, 2019 19:30:10 GMT
Yeah...I don't think the DNC wants Biden. Looks like hes gonna be history. Will Bernie finally get his shot? I'm going to say that I don't think it is posiible, that the DNC will make it impossible for Bernie to become the candidate. In short, I'm going to lock down on the "no" position and we can see whether I am spot on or in error. I think the DNC hates Bernie. |
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Post by gfm7175 on Aug 1, 2019 20:06:52 GMT
Of course there a lot of radicals in the Democrat party right now. Radicals are always against other radicals. It will be interesting to see if they accept Boring Biden for a candidate. If they choose Biden, it will be very interesting to watch. He, at this point in his life, can barely even form a coherent thought it seems, even WITH talking points. The smear-merchant media would have to work overtime just to put a spin on all of his inane ramblings/gaffes/etc. and to tell us what he actually meant by [insert inane Biden rambling here]. At least Obama was charismatic, personable, and had an "air" about him, much like Slick Willie had in the 90s... What Democrat who is currently running for President has that same charisma, personality, and "air"?? Definitely not Creepy Joe, definitely not Crazy Bernie, definitely not Pocahontas... That leaves Kamala "Reparations" Harris?? Beto "Captain Planet" O'Rourke?? Butt Gig?? |
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Post by gfm7175 on Aug 1, 2019 20:13:24 GMT
Now let's talk Biden. He's "dropping in the polls" and the DNC is organizing protests against him: ... Either the DNC wants to help Biden get out in front of the deportation issue considering that he deported more illegals and broke up more families than any other administration ever ... or the DNC is helping Biden see the writing that he is not the chosen one. This isn't from the DNC, but now the topic being "put out there" is Biden's bribes from China. So Biden is being equated with Trump, e.g. deporting immigrants and destroying families, taking bribes from foreign powers, etc... I've noticed this as well... They don't seem very eager to put their support behind Biden... Maybe they don't see his fumbling bumbling around (ie, his issues with putting together a coherent thought) as "electable"?? I figured that if he could at least express talking points in a decent manner that he would win the nomination, but he doesn't seem capable of even doing that much at this point in his life. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC is looking for a "Plan B" at this point... |
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Post by gfm7175 on Aug 1, 2019 20:22:07 GMT
Yeah...I don't think the DNC wants Biden. Looks like hes gonna be history. Will Bernie finally get his shot? I'm going to say that I don't think it is posiible, that the DNC will make it impossible for Bernie to become the candidate. In short, I'm going to lock down on the "no" position and we can see whether I am spot on or in error. I think the DNC hates Bernie. I have to agree with IBDaMann on this one. I don't think that the DNC likes Bernie either. They seem to hate Bernie, and they don't seem very keen on supporting Biden either... Will be interesting to see who they eventually start throwing their support behind... |
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Post by gfm7175 on Aug 1, 2019 20:27:31 GMT
Previously I had written how the DNC hates Bernie and that he will never be the Democrat candidate, regardless of his popularity and regardless of the lengths to which they need to rig it against him. Also, on 27 June, just after the first Democrat "debates" I noted how it appeared that the DNC had chosen Elizabeth Warren to be the 2020 Democrat Presidential candidate. On the Climate-Debate forum I wrote: Well ... I just had my attention directed to a new CBS poll (read: DNC-issued manuscript) that has Biden down to 22% from 35% before the "debates." Bernie Sanders, according to this poll, has Bernie's campaign as crumbling at 14%. Elizabeth Warren has seemingly "risen" to second place just behind the plummeting Biden. Note: I place zero stock in this poll, ... or any other poll for that matter. I raise this issue because polls give a great insight into the collective mind of the DNC and what they "want." They are all about picking the winners and losers instead of leaving that to the voters. So I will reiterate the question: Has the DNC already told us that Elizabeth Warren is the 2020 candidate and that the others might as well hang it up? I think they are exploring their "Plan B" options at this point, since they don't seem to be satisfied with the inane ramblings of Biden, and seem to hate Bernie. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Aug 2, 2019 19:38:46 GMT
I think they are exploring their "Plan B" options at this point, since they don't seem to be satisfied with the inane ramblings of Biden, and seem to hate Bernie. Every day it keeps looking more and more like Warren is going to get the nod, though I'm not taking my eyes off Kamala Harris. I really believe, however, that if it comes down to Liz and Kamala, that the DNC will broker a deal between them identical to the Obama-Hillary agreement of "Let's support Warren on this go, and then it will be 'your turn' the next time. We'll let you be the Secretary of State and then we'll rig the super-delegates for you if we have to." Remember, it was that arrangement between Barack and Hillary that caused Trump to switch to his Republican affiliation because he knew that if he wanted to run for President that there was no way he could do it as a Democrat; it was already promised to Hillary. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Aug 3, 2019 22:16:20 GMT
Every day it keeps looking more and more like Warren is going to get the nod, though I'm not taking my eyes off Kamala Harris. OK, I'm starting to take my eyes of Kamala. After this second round of debates it seems pretty clear that Warren has been selected. Did anyone else notice that all of the candidates backstabbed each other this round ... except nobody took any shots at Warren. Biden got pummelled by everyone. Bernie came across as just rambling angry. Kamala took it in the shorts from a sucker punch. Warren just made short generic campaign speeches that were challenged by no one. All of the other candidates took radical positions, one way or the other, such as decriminalizing illegal immigration, providing all humans on the planet free health care, taxing corporations out of existences, etc ... except all Warren did was to deflect her position and to just use the opportunity to explain how Trump has failed us and gave no one any opportunity to criticize her. Everything she said was eligible material for the debate highlight recap, and all of it positive for her. This is how it appears to be going down from my perspective. Candidates have to first win the Party nomination in the primaries and then have to win again in a general election. In the Democrat Party, everyone knows that you have to be a leftist extremist to get the nomination but you thereafter must transform into a centrist if you wish to have any hope in the general election. Warren is the only candidate following the winning formula (not that she can beat Trump). She is going into the primaries as an extreme Progressive (Marxist) who is wisely limiting her rhetoric to the "safe" topics of bashing Trump, villifying corporations, demonizing the rich, bashing Trump, praising immigrants, the need to save the planet and bashing Trump. Once the other candidates haved killed each other off and she is the only candidate standing to receive the nomination, Warren will suddenly espouse very mild, centrist actions ... along with the bashing Trump, villifying corporations, demonizing the rich, bashing Trump, praising immigrants, the need to save the planet and bashing Trump. This is what I predict, right here, right now. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Sept 22, 2019 21:35:02 GMT
I've noticed this as well... They don't seem very eager to put their support behind Biden... Maybe they don't see his fumbling bumbling around (ie, his issues with putting together a coherent thought) as "electable"?? I figured that if he could at least express talking points in a decent manner that he would win the nomination, but he doesn't seem capable of even doing that much at this point in his life. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC is looking for a "Plan B" at this point... Reports corroborating both Biden's steady downfall and Warren's steady rise in the fake polls are becoming more frequent: As of this date (22 September 2019) 1. Warren is continuing to appear as the DNC Presidential "chosen one." 2. Biden is falling too far behind, the DNC wants him to just drop out; he's embarrassing them. 3. Bernie Sanders still hasn't gotten the memo that he will never be allowed to be the Democrat candidate. 4. Tulsi Gabbard blind-sided Kamala Harris with a nasty horsecollar tackle and is successfully supplanting Harris in the race. Keep one eye glued to the Tulsi wild-card. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Sept 27, 2019 17:23:19 GMT
Of course there a lot of radicals in the Democrat party right now. Radicals are always against other radicals. It will be interesting to see if they accept Boring Biden for a candidate. I believe Biden is out. I don't think he can withstand the scrutiny of his corruption in Ukraine, especially since the Democrats, in their blind hatred for Trump, are the ones driving this issue and they simply will not let it go. The spotlight will be on Ukraine, and that means on Biden's wrongdoing, for as long as the Democrats can maintain it, much to Biden's political demise. Warren passes Biden in new nationwide poll Biden nosedives in early-state polls |
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Post by gasguzzler on Sept 28, 2019 2:38:14 GMT
4. Tulsi Gabbard blind-sided Kamala Harris with a nasty horsecollar tackle and is successfully supplanting Harris in the race. Keep one eye glued to the Tulsi wild-card. You better keep the other eye on Hillary. |
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Post by IBDaMann on Sept 28, 2019 18:42:22 GMT
You better keep the other eye on Hillary. I'm going to disagree. Hillary has gone the way of Howard Dean and has already been swept away to the bitter, angry, petty dustbin of history. We'll still hear from her for a while but that dumster-echo will make it difficult to understand anything she's saying. We can only hope the truck comes soon to just make her go away. This speech happened yesterday. Can you spot the carefully hidden hypocrisy herein? |
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Post by IBDaMann on Sept 29, 2019 2:01:36 GMT
Yeah...I don't think the DNC wants Biden. Looks like hes gonna be history. Will Bernie finally get his shot? HarveyH55 posted this on Climate-Debate. Is this the nail in Biden's coffin? He did indeed brag about threatening to withhold aid unless the prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden was canned. President Zelensky of Ukraine seems intent on reinstating an honest prosecutor to look into this. This looks like the end for gropin'-Joe. |
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